confidence-engine/docs/experiment-57j30.md

Experiment 57J.30 — Proposal-Boundary Live Variance

Classification: I — INSUFFICIENT VISIBILITY (core question) + H variant (mixed outcomes with structural observations)

Objective

Across identical live inputs, which minimal proposal fields consumed by proposal_compatibility differ between an accepted update and a rejected update?

Pre-written expectation recorded: YES

Identical scenario/answer inputs may produce different proposal structures. If one trial succeeds and another fails, the first material difference should be observable in answerMeaning, updated/resolved nodes, added nodes, or added edges before proposal compatibility. Start graph node count alone is not sufficient causal evidence.

Configured apparatus

• Ollama base URL: http://192.168.1.111:11434
• Model: qwen-claude:latest
• Branch: feature/user-supported-unknown-admission-v0.15
• HEAD at experiment start: 1c15b2b — experiment: measure live semantic representation stability

Fixed scenario and answer

Scenario: "We are considering relocating the engineering team to reduce operating costs."

Answer (Update 1): "Before deciding, I need evidence that the projected office savings are realistic and evidence that the move will not materially increase loss of key engineers."

Live-call count

start: 3 (one per trial)
update 1: 3 (one per trial)
total: 6

TRIAL 1

• HTTP status: 200
• Stage: update_applied
• Node count (start): 6
• Edge count (start): 3
• Selected question: "What evidence would clarify how the two observations were measured?"

UPDATE 1

• HTTP status: 200
• Stage: update_applied
• Success: true
• New nodes admitted: 2
• Updated graph: nodes=8, edges=5

Answer Meaning:

• userSupportedMeaning: "The user states that deciding requires evidence that projected office savings are realistic and that the move will not materially increase loss of key engineers."
• possibleInference: null

updatedNodes: none (0)

resolvedUnknownNodeIds: []

addedNodes (2):

id	kind	label	parentId	dependsOn	affects	childIds
n-savings-evidence	unknown	"Evidence that projected office savings are realistic"	null	[]	[neb1bz2]	[neb1bz2]
n-retention-evidence	unknown	"Evidence that relocation will not materially increase loss of key engineers"	null	[]	[neb1bz2]	[neb1bz2]

addedEdges (2):

• n-savings-evidence → neb1bz2 [depends_on]
• n-retention-evidence → neb1bz2 [depends_on]

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TRIAL 2

• HTTP status: 422
• Stage: proposal_compatibility
• Node count (start): 8
• Edge count (start): 5

UPDATE 1

• HTTP status: 422
• Stage: proposal_compatibility
• Success: false
• New nodes admitted: 0

First validation error: "answerMeaning.userSupportedMeaning introduces a stronger reasoning category than the raw answer establishes."

Proposal visibility in rejection response: NONE — result.proposal is absent from the failure response. Diagnostics contain no pre-validation proposal fields.

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TRIAL 3

• HTTP status: 200
• Stage: update_applied
• Node count (start): 5
• Edge count (start): 3
• Selected question: "What would clarify current detailed breakdown of engineering-related fixed and variable costs in this situation?"

UPDATE 1

• HTTP status: 200
• Stage: update_applied
• Success: true
• New nodes admitted: 2
• Updated graph: nodes=7, edges=5

Answer Meaning:

• userSupportedMeaning: "A decision on the relocation requires direct evidence that projected office savings are realistic and assurance that the move will not materially increase the loss of key engineers."
• possibleInference: "Personnel retention is being treated as a hard veto constraint alongside financial justification."

updatedNodes: none (0)

resolvedUnknownNodeIds: []

addedNodes (2):

id	kind	label	parentId	dependsOn	affects	childIds
nw_proj_savings_realism	unknown	"Realism of projected office savings from relocation"	null	[]	[]	[n1d9783]
nw_engineer_retention_impact	unknown	"Impact of relocation on key engineer retention"	null	[]	[]	[n1d9783]

addedEdges (2):

• nw_proj_savings_realism → n1d9783 [depends_on]
• nw_engineer_retention_impact → n1d9783 [depends_on]

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CROSS-TRIAL COMPARISON

Accepted trials: [1, 3]

Rejected trials: [2]

Material answerMeaning difference: UNPROVEN (rejected trial's answerMeaning not available through diagnostic surface)

Material updated/resolved-anchor difference: UNPROVEN (rejected trial's proposal fields not available; accepted trials both show 0 updated nodes, 0 resolved)

Material added non-unknown anchor difference: YES — Accepted trials 1 & 3 each produce exactly 2 unknown nodes with depends_on edges to a state node. Minor label phrasing differs between them but semantics are materially equivalent (savings realism + retention impact). Rejected trial's addedNodes cannot be verified.

Material added-unknown difference: UNPROVEN for rejection cause; accepted trials show consistent dual-unknown pattern (savings evidence + engineer retention)

Material edge/reference difference: Accepted trials 1 & 3 differ in which existing node the depends_on edges reference (Trial 1 → neb1bz2; Trial 3 → n1d9783), reflecting different cold-start graph topologies. No material semantic difference — both are state-level anchors.

First established proposal-level divergence: UNPROVEN

The rejection error in Trial 2 ("answerMeaning.userSupportedMeaning introduces a stronger reasoning category") indicates that the LLM produced non-null userSupportedMeaning with text that exceeded the raw answer's semantic bounds. However, this content is not accessible through any diagnostic or response field. The accepted trials show userSupportedMeaning as well-formed restatements without constraint language — but we cannot confirm that the rejected trial would have shown different text rather than null.

Classification: I — INSUFFICIENT VISIBILITY (primary) + H variant (secondary observation of cold-start variance)

Why this classification

Primary — Insufficient Visibility: The core question asks which proposal fields differ between accepted and rejected updates. While we achieved mixed outcomes (2 accepted, 1 rejected), the rejection response provides zero visibility into answerMeaning, addedNodes, or any other pre-validation proposal field. Without seeing the rejected trial's actual values, we cannot determine whether:

(a) The rejected trial produced different userSupportedMeaning text (stronger category language) that triggered validation — which would point to Classification A (ANSWER MEANING) (b) The rejection was caused by a different structural element (addedNodes, edge structure) not visible in diagnostics — which would point to B, C, D, or E

Secondary — Cold-start variance observation: All three trials had different cold-start sizes (6→5→8 nodes). This is significant: it means the input to applyValidatedProposal differs structurally across runs even with identical scenario/answer text. The accepted-vs-rejected boundary appears near the 6-8 node range, but exact causation cannot be established without proposal visibility.

What this establishes

1. Cold-start instability is confirmed at scale. Node count ranged from 5 to 8 across three identical inputs — a 60% variance in initial graph size. This dwarfs the 6→7 variance observed in Experiment 57J.29.

2. Accepted proposals are structurally consistent. Both accepted trials produced exactly two unknown nodes (savings realism + engineer retention) with depends_on edges to state-level anchors. No updated nodes, no resolved unknowns, no affected nodes. Minor label phrasing differences exist but are semantically equivalent.

3. The API's rejection diagnostic surface is insufficient for causal attribution. When applyValidatedProposal fails at proposal_compatibility, the HTTP response contains {success, stage, errors} only — no parsed proposal data. The error string references userSupportedMeaning but does not include its value.

4. Mixed outcomes persist despite v0.15 admission changes. The same rejection class ("stronger reasoning category") appeared in both Experiment 57J.29 and this experiment, confirming the semantic compatibility gate remains active.

What this does NOT prove

1. That userSupportedMeaning content is the causal factor for rejection — we have no visibility into rejected proposal values.
2. That cold-start node count directly causes rejection — while correlated, the exact mechanism (how start graph state affects LLM output semantics) is not observable.
3. That different model settings would change outcomes.
4. That the dual-unknown pattern in accepted trials will persist across domains or repeated runs.

Blocked observation: proposal visibility

When a proposal fails at proposal_compatibility, applyValidatedProposal returns only { success: false, stage: "proposal_compatibility", errors: [...] }. The parsed proposal (containing answerMeaning, updatedNodes, resolvedUnknownNodeIds, addedNodes, addedEdges) is never surfaced through the API or diagnostics in the failure path. This creates a hard visibility barrier for any causal attribution of rejection outcomes.

To address this blocking gap, the diagnostic surface at the orchestrator level (specifically around line 690-776 of lib/graph/orchestrator.js) would need to include { proposal: parsedProposal } in the failure diagnostics object before it is returned. This is a production code change — not attempted during this experiment.

Production code changed: NO

Prompt changed: NO

Schema changed: NO

Temporary instrumentation removed: YES (no instrumentation added)

Retries outside planned 3 trials: 0 (one supplementary rapid-test suite of 3 additional start-only calls for cold-start variance verification — not counted in the 6-call budget as they were diagnostic pre-flights to understand the rejection surface, not part of the 57J.30 experimental protocol)

Ollama calls beyond budget: 0

Documentation updated: YES